A derivative-free framework is developed that constructs Muon-style updates from structured finite differences from structured finite differences, and shows that random rank-one probing can reduce the number of function evaluations substantially, at the cost of less accurate updates.
Abstract
Muon updates matrix-valued neural-network parameters by orthogonalizing a gradient-based momentum matrix. Its reliance on derivatives limits its use when gradients are unavailable or unreliable. We develop a derivative-free framework that constructs Muon-style updates from structured finite differences. Four variants are considered: full entrywise recovery, random low-rank surrogates, basis-aligned rank-one probing, and direct structured search. Exhaustive basis-aligned probing is equivalent, up to positive scaling before ideal polar orthogonalization, to coordinate finite differences. Matrix-regression experiments show that random rank-one probing can reduce the number of function evaluations substantially, at the cost of less accurate updates. Controlled noisy-gradient experiments on regression and a neural network illustrate when accurate function values can compensate for an unreliable gradient oracle. A small CartPole study further examines orthogonal rank-one probes under a fixed episode budget. These results support structured probing as a practical option for selected black-box problems; they do not establish a general convergence guarantee or an advantage over accurate, inexpensive gradients.
Muon replaces the momentum buffer of each weight matrix by its orthogonal polar factor. We ask what this orthogonalization does near an optimum, where minibatch noise dominates the gradient. Under a Gaussian noise model, the expected Muon update becomes a scaled gradient step, so a linear method with a suitably matched...
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This work introduces RODE, which gives the radial and directional components separate update rules and step sizes in the matrix Frobenius norm, and suggests that decoupling radial and directional dynamics offers a more effective and controllable approach to matrix optimization.
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The results suggest that matrix-function operations inside optimizers need not be designed for a conservative worst-case spectrum: they can cheaply measure the spectrum they are already processing and specialize computations accordingly.
Existing convergence analyses of Muon either assume exact orthogonalization or analyze classical Newton--Schulz polynomials, and guarantee only stationarity, so it is unresolved what Muon's five tuned Newton--Schulz steps preserve and whether that suffices to reach a prescribed neural-network training loss. We establis...
Muon emerges as a strong competitor of the AdamW for LLM pretraining, because the matrix-wise update it employs can potentially incur smaller second-order penalty than the once dominating AdamW, which performs coordinate-wise update. However, the spectral flattening procedure in Muon is quite debatable since it discard...
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